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  Why can't I just leave?

  by Trapped in JW land in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may know my situation.

  i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

  i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

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  Black Sheep

  "This can work if done right, but it's still traumatic, and it has to be done carefully and with a measure of planning."

  There is no painless way to wake up that you have wasted decades and trashed relationships in exchange for membership in a looney cult. We have to take that into consideration when talking to cult members, but it shouldn't stop us from trying. It's not only about them. I've seen cult members trying to recruit from their death beds, an excellent time to show off their faith without having to answer difficult questions.
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  Why can't I just leave?

  by Trapped in JW land in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may know my situation.

  i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

  i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

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  Black Sheep

  Instead of being honest with your mother, start asking her questions that make her be dishonest with you to defend her choice to stay with a failed doomsday cult.Don't tell her anything she shouldn't already know from her own church's rantings and historical facts she already knows, just ask sincere questions that will affect her .... not you .... her, then keep her honest if she tries any tricks to weasel her way out of an honest answer. Act offended if she tries to fool you into changes of subject or any type of bullying.

  Do not express your own opinions, as she has been programmed not to listen to anything opposing, just corner her into defending her opinions and choices, while you practice a bit of shut up.

  Be the last to leave, not the first. We all know how that goes.
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  Please,I need non-"apostate" info./sites for my exit case on following topics

  by Kensho in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i'm preparing for my exit after 4 years of de-programming myself from the cult (much help from here..thank you) been fading for as long as i can to keep decades of family and friends, but the moment the "real truth" is arriving soon.. i desire to make an intelligent defense for my actions and of course will never get to first base using any resource material that will shut down the process by my blind brothers and family members.. i have collected some resources on my own, but would appreciate help in the following.. 1) child abuse.

  2) ngo un docs.

  3) follow the money any public records of what the borg spends or invest our money on.

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  Black Sheep

  Don't show them anything that they don't trust. Show them their own litteratrash, and ask them to explain it while you practice a bit of shutup.

  Don't pick a subject that impresses you, pick one that affects them, personally. Something that they said to you in the past. And don't start anything. Let them start, then steer the conversation to where you want it to be, ask your question, then shut up except to make them talk, stop them changing the subject and to keep them honest.

  It is their job to defend their decision to stay with a failed doomsday cult, not your job to explain your decision to leave. Don't express your opinions, they don't want to hear them except to find an excuse to bash your character.

  Repetition for emphasis:

  Shut up

  Make them do the talking
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  If a parrot spoke to Eve instead of a serpent??

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would that change your view on the account???

  that's.

  plausible.. .

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  Black Sheep

  Parrots wouldn't have legs or wings.
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  Why are you treated as mentally ill if you try to leave?

  by wallievase in

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  2. friends

  i would just like to know why people are always treated like you have to be depressed or have some type of serious mental issue if you try to leave?

  you cant just leave because its not for you?.

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  Black Sheep

  Because they are told to that by the church leaders.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011524
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  Apple Cider Vinegar

  by poppers in

  1. social
  2. physical

  i've been drinking 1 tbs with a glass of water twice daily for digestion for about 3 weeks now.

  i've found it helps, but it also acts as an appetite suppressant; i've lost several pounds since using it.

  i'm consuming fewer calories because i'm just not as hungry as before.

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  Black Sheep

  It's better before it turns to vinegar
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  Plastic buckets in Paradise

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember one picture of a pretty little girl holding a plastic bucket in paradise next to a tame lion.. i asked my wife if there is going to be polution in paradise?

  of course the answer is no!!!!!..

  i asked her where did the plastic bucket come from?

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  Black Sheep

  There is one here. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/remain-in-gods-love/

  Jehovah's Industrial Era Paradise. Play Spot the Sweatshop Produced items

  
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  Old Books

  by Jeannette in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i have about 30 old books that i have collected over the years and i don't know what to do with them.

  i wouldn't mind getting a little money for them, after all, i did contribute and spend tons of money in car gas.

  i have: you may survive armageddon into god's new world; what has religion done for mankind?

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  Black Sheep

  Look for something really outlandish, failed, culty, embarrasing, in a book, then advertise it emphasizing the passage. With a bit of luck a Dub will pay good money it to get it off the net.
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  Failure

  by backformore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so tonight just sucks ad i just want to vent to people who don't know me irl.. my wife and i have two kids.

  i was still in when we got together but my wife never was.

  when we actually got married i moved out of my parents place and never went back to a kingdom hall again.

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  Black Sheep

  Failure?

  There are two of you. You have two kids. Is your idea of success contributing to the over-population of the planet your descendents will have to live in?
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Black Sheep

  Even if they hibernated on the ark, they would still need to eat when they got off.